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Post by WxMAN on Jun 23, 2011 20:43:59 GMT -6
I really do think we need a "party gimmick" because even with the nifty player's guide, I'm still struggling for a character concept. I suspect we're going to end up needing to sit down together once Zenwolf's M&M run is complete and bash out this gimmick. Truthfully, I can't quite seem to fathom why I'm having so much trouble deciding on a character here... Just remembered the idea we had a long time ago about doing traveling entertainer troupe (the not-quite-all Bard concept). One of these days… That's actually not a bad idea. None of the players really need to play an actual Bard, but we could sort of be like a circus troupe or something. Fighter = Strong Man, Rogue = Barker or Knife Juggler, etc. I really don't like the idea of a "gimmick", unless it is something minor like all different races, etc... I have the basic story idea for my character done, I am just trying to figure out what seems like an incredibly complex build in the cleric...
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Jun 24, 2011 18:39:25 GMT -6
I'm leaning toward the knight idea thanks to a coworker...
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 25, 2011 0:13:43 GMT -6
The MisfitsCurrently: [atrb=width,100%,true][bg=black]Who | [bg=black]Wants2Play | Dan | Goblin Rogue/Dwarven Ranger | Rigil | Half-Elf Beguiler | Josh | Farmer/Druid | N8 | Hellbred Cleric | ShLE | Gnome (Melee) Rogue | ChrisIII | Knight |
At this point, to get a nice racial spread going (and assuming N8's guy doesn't technically count as "human"), that leaves 2 undeclared races, ATM. I think Josh, as Druid, should go with Half-Orc, just because that would be so left-field.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 25, 2011 10:08:07 GMT -6
I dunno. I think a half-orc Knight would be almost as equally hysterical.
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 25, 2011 10:51:44 GMT -6
I dunno. I think a half-orc Knight would be almost as equally hysterical. You expect a half-orc to be a bruiser. Although, half-orc Monks are still amusing.
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 25, 2011 11:55:28 GMT -6
Are we rolling for our starting wealth as per PHB 111 or do we just take the 'average' for our given class?
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Post by Mike E. on Jun 25, 2011 12:56:46 GMT -6
roll it up...or I can if you want.
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 25, 2011 13:02:39 GMT -6
roll it up...or I can if you want. I can't use my weighted dice if you do it
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 25, 2011 13:06:45 GMT -6
Oh.. and SQ/group.... are we tracking things like rations, etc etc... I have been, but I can't tell if anyone else does.... and there hasn't been a real solid tracking of 'days' in game and whatnot...
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Jun 25, 2011 22:21:05 GMT -6
I dunno. I think a half-orc Knight would be almost as equally hysterical. i was leaning more toward the human knight ... with matthew lillard from "in the name of the king" as an icon/avatar ... or would we prefer a different race??? also thinking of the "more brawn than brains" concept
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 25, 2011 22:24:51 GMT -6
More brawn than brains ... and you pick Matthew Lillard, one of the scrawniest men alive? LOL
The question that now comes to mind is why is he "unwanted"? Is rigid adherence to his moral code (the Superman effect that WxMAN gripes about)? Did he kill someone in a duel he shouldn't have (his father, perhaps? Or the son of a prominent noble?) Are his parents uber mages who are thoroughly embarrassed by their son the basher?
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Jun 25, 2011 22:36:26 GMT -6
More brawn than brains ... and you pick Matthew Lillard, one of the scrawniest men alive? LOL The question that now comes to mind is why is he "unwanted"? Is rigid adherence to his moral code (the Superman effect that WxMAN gripes about)? Did he kill someone in a duel he shouldn't have (his father, perhaps? Or the son of a prominent noble?) Are his parents uber mages who are thoroughly embarrassed by their son the basher? haven't thought about the "unwanted" part (although the mages ashamed of their non magical son thing sounds good) and as far as matthew lillard, i was lookin from the aspect of...he's not the brightest crayon in the tool shed
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 25, 2011 22:53:27 GMT -6
haven't thought about the "unwanted" part (although the mages ashamed of their non magical son thing sounds good) and as far as matthew lillard, i was lookin from the aspect of...he's not the brightest crayon in the tool shed Just grab a typical pro-wrestler type FREX:
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 25, 2011 22:57:05 GMT -6
Is rigid adherence to his moral code (the Superman effect that WxMAN gripes about)? That's not why I don't like Supes but that is neither here nor there...
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Post by LabRat on Jun 26, 2011 21:17:21 GMT -6
Hey, have we designated a "face" for this group yet?
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 26, 2011 21:21:49 GMT -6
Hey, have we designated a "face" for this group yet? Rigil's is probably going to fill that role—that class is more-or-less designed for it.
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 26, 2011 21:57:00 GMT -6
Asking the 'elders' opinion:
Should I spend the extra 75gp for a chainmail shirt, using it as a 'nighty' for when I get the heavy armor that is my end goal... or buy the studded leather, waiting for some loot in the form of chainmail armor and saving the 75gp for heavy armor later?
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 27, 2011 8:06:58 GMT -6
I'd save the money for now and pick up the chain nighty later. Are you going to be starting out with really good armor? (For 1st level, that is.) Like splint or breastplate or something? Hey, have we designated a "face" for this group yet? Rigil's is probably going to fill that role—that class is more-or-less designed for it. Yeah ... when I picked that class, I was under the mistaken impression (all my fault) that Gigermann was playing a ninja, not a Rogue, and his primary thing was hyper stealth, whereas you were going B&E rogue, hence I picked the pseudo-face man. If needs be, I can adjust somewhat - it occurred to me afterward that a "bard" would actually make a fairly amusing lawyer...
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 27, 2011 9:03:05 GMT -6
I'd save the money for now and pick up the chain nighty later. Are you going to be starting out with really good armor? (For 1st level, that is.) Like splint or breastplate or something? No, I don't have near the money to afford that... I was debating Studded Leather v Chain Shirt... since the only medium armor I can afford is Hide or Scale Mail, and since neither one of those really outdoes the Studded or Chain shirt, there isn't a point to me to buy it since I can't even wear it to bed...
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 27, 2011 9:54:04 GMT -6
Ah. Then I'd go with chain shirt at first. We'll invariably punk somebody with heavier armor that the tanks can argue over...
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Post by LabRat on Jun 27, 2011 10:21:38 GMT -6
That's what I thought but I just wanted to check and make sure. As per Daniel's suggestion I looked up swashbuckler and considered the merits of multiclassing as a rogue/swashbuckler hybrid. However, outside of combat they are usually the face of the group due to their typically high CHA. If we didn't have a for sure face then it would have given me a push to go in that direction. That, or else I will have to think about how a character like this would help the party outside of combat.
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 27, 2011 10:36:29 GMT -6
That, or else I will have to think about how a character like this would help the party outside of combat. Really, you have to decide what it is that you want your character's "thing" to be, in and out of combat, and find the best fit for a Class. If your thing is light melee, but not so much lockpicking, then Swashbuckler is a better fit—no worse out of combat than a fighter. And, like the Rogue situation, there's no reason you can't have more than one charismatic character in the group—just have to share the spotlight. OTOH, maybe that's not exactly what you had in mind?
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 27, 2011 11:11:25 GMT -6
Right, so the question is (@ LabRat): what are you wanting to play? Melee rogue who is also the faceman? If that's the case, I can adjust my character to not be the faceman. I simply picked the class I did because it seemed like no one else was going to play the face of the party and the class seemed interesting. I'm not actually wedded to anything yet.
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Post by WxMAN on Jun 27, 2011 13:20:31 GMT -6
Repointing this question out b/c I couldn't answer her at all: I’m curious why would someone be a ranged rogue instead of a ranger? I mean I guess you get the sneak attack but are there any other major reasons or is it just preference?
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 27, 2011 13:30:18 GMT -6
I’m curious why would someone be a ranged rogue instead of a ranger? I mean I guess you get the sneak attack but are there any other major reasons or is it just preference? A Ranger isn't inherently any better at ranged combat than a Rogue is—the only advantage they have is that they get a Feat for free (and early) if they choose the Archer path. Then it just comes down to what you want to be doing outside combat. Ultimately, I consider the two to be "mirror images"—one does his thing in the woods, the other in the city.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 27, 2011 13:32:47 GMT -6
Not entirely true, actually. Rangers have the fast BAB progression (+1 every level), whereas Rogues are medium progression (+0 at first level.) So I'd argue that Rangers are inherently better at ranged combat simply because they can reach BAB +20 by 20th level - a Rogue can't.
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 27, 2011 13:40:04 GMT -6
Maybe a better way to put it is that Rangers are better early, but not better overall. Honestly, the best ranged combatant would be a so-specialized Fighter, anyway—not that you see that very often.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jun 27, 2011 14:02:19 GMT -6
That's true.
It mostly boils down to "what else does you character do other than ranged combat?" That's where it really diverges - he's a woodsman or a thief. Both Rangers & Rogues are/can be sneaky and spotty and the like...
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Post by LabRat on Jun 27, 2011 20:56:30 GMT -6
Okay sorry but I needed some time to accurately answer that question. I was getting kind of overwhelmed with the possibilities so to answer what I wanted is like sitting a person down in Baskin Robbins who never had ice cream before and asking them to pick a flavor. I knew I wanted to play a melee fighter that had something to contribute outside of combat. Rogue seemed the best fit for what I wanted to do. However, I liked the idea of multi-classing for variety so I am going to shelve Corabelle for now and try this at a new angle. I want to play a rogue influenced swashbuckler. So I'll start out as a swashbuckler and then add levels of rogue so I can pick up some skills in lock picking, use magical device, and disable device as well as some stealth elements. By level 10 I should have a pretty good combat setup and still at least be able to help with the rogue-y duties. Think that'll work with party mechanics?
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Post by Gigermann on Jun 27, 2011 21:21:15 GMT -6
So I'll start out as a swashbuckler and then add levels of rogue so I can pick up some skills in lock picking, use magical device, and disable device as well as some stealth elements. You'll want to start with Rogue, if you plan to multiclass, so you can get the max number of skill points—SwB's skill points aren't so much. Rogue+Swashy is a good mix, though, and will work just as well with the party as before. I really don't see the need to scrap Corabelle, though—it's really only a slight modification from what you were doing before.
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