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Post by WxMAN on Oct 30, 2012 13:57:59 GMT -6
Sorry, I'd like an or right now... Not feeling combining the two, would kinda like to get a feel for a more pure class build of one of the two concepts...
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Post by Gigermann on Oct 30, 2012 14:06:44 GMT -6
How do we feel about playing more than one character? Or having some add-on characters that are played by whomever?
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Post by LabRat on Oct 30, 2012 14:37:05 GMT -6
How do we feel about playing more than one character? Or having some add-on characters that are played by whomever? I am up for that...that might help with the balance issues. For example if I am running, my spell caster isn't in play. If someone wanted to use a secondary spell caster then it would help the party balance. Things might get wonky with XP though.
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Post by WxMAN on Oct 30, 2012 19:11:15 GMT -6
How do we feel about playing more than one character? Or having some add-on characters that are played by whomever? Not the biggest fan of this
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Post by Rigil Kent on Nov 4, 2012 12:03:19 GMT -6
Occurred to me that it might be a good idea to figure out what "tropes" you character might fit for the various GMs. For example, Alain (my fighter) would be a good fit for Rags to Royalty as the "lost prince John" with an (inevitable?) eye toward Dating Catwoman when the group invariably encounters the Nefarian Overlord's daughter (who really needs to look like this. Rowl. Perhaps with a side of Tragic Hero on the side and a dash of Be Careful What You Wish For (want to be a Knight? Okay ... but the job really freaking sucks...) Thoughts?
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Post by WxMAN on Nov 4, 2012 19:00:28 GMT -6
Anything like that will help, obviously, especially because I'm honestly not very well versed in tropes overall.... but do expect for me to play a little with them because you know I like to be a PitA
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 5, 2012 12:04:26 GMT -6
Hadn't considered the "lost prince" being a PC—which would be suitably generic
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Nov 15, 2012 14:53:52 GMT -6
i guess i might be lost from all the changes going on, what changes/tweaks need to made to the background? i should iron out the character sheet soon
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 15, 2012 15:13:08 GMT -6
i guess i might be lost from all the changes going on, what changes/tweaks need to made to the background? i should iron out the character sheet soon Well, that background was written with certain assumptions that are no longer being assumed…I think Not exactly a consensus…but usable, perhaps—we get the "traditional" tavern kickoff, having been raised in the same hometown, and having been employed by the same heroes' guild (or whatever)
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Post by WxMAN on Nov 15, 2012 15:17:50 GMT -6
i guess i might be lost from all the changes going on, what changes/tweaks need to made to the background? I am operating under the following ASSumptions regarding your characters: - All characters currently live in or near a small village under the rule of Kingsport... I don't know if the village has a name, if not, it is now named Heroham...
- All characters are members of the local militia, doing good deeds and the like
- All characters have answered the 'call' from the King to venture to Kingsport in order to join the military in preparation of the expected war with Nefaria
- All characters at least respect each other and have at least a desire to stick together as a unit.
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Nov 15, 2012 15:33:53 GMT -6
[quote author=wxman board=genericfantasy thread=738 post=8869 time=1353014270 I am operating under the following ASSumptions regarding your characters: - All characters currently live in or near a small village under the rule of Kingsport... I don't know if the village has a name, if not, it is now named Heroham...
- All characters are members of the local militia, doing good deeds and the like
- All characters have answered the 'call' from the King to venture to Kingsport in order to join the military in preparation of the expected war with Nefaria
- All characters at least respect each other and have at least a desire to stick together as a unit.
[/quote] Ok…so with this overall backstory being in place for the group, I think I’m gonna lean more toward the rogue and less toward the bard since I don’t see a bard fitting into a Militia stereotype…so back to the rogue/scout with the rogue part leaning more toward the ability to stealthily attack and trap skills and the scout part being obvious
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Post by WxMAN on Nov 15, 2012 15:37:32 GMT -6
Ok…so with this overall backstory being in place for the group, I think I’m gonna lean more toward the rogue and less toward the bard since I don’t see a bard fitting into a Militia stereotype… Bard would typically be the faceman or maybe even the 'leader' of the militia, issuing orders from the back and making sure his/her troops are focused and fighting at their best... But whatever you wish to do with your character is fine with me... Also realize this is probably a pretty rag tag 'militia' that probably do not much more than defeat a dire mole who has been terrorizing the local farmer's turnips...
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 15, 2012 15:38:35 GMT -6
Ok…so with this overall backstory being in place for the group, I think I’m gonna lean more toward the rogue and less toward the bard since I don’t see a bard fitting into a Militia stereotype…so back to the rogue/scout with the rogue part leaning more toward the ability to stealthily attack and trap skills and the scout part being obvious No reason you can't have a Bard in the militia—that's just some guys that get called up when something needs defending or attacking. BTW. I'm going with "Homeville"
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Nov 15, 2012 15:41:38 GMT -6
ok..so then bard it is with leanings toward scout as i progress...and focus skills with spot and search
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 15, 2012 15:52:32 GMT -6
ok..so then bard it is with leanings toward scout as i progress...and focus skills with spot and search Why Scout? Why not straight-Bard?
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Post by Rigil Kent on Nov 15, 2012 16:08:49 GMT -6
it is now named Heroham... You called it before Giger, so I'm moving forward with presumption of Heroham. As 1st level characters with 0 XP, we really haven't done much more than show up. On to glory! Right, so two humans, a dwarf and a halfling, right? A sorceror, fighter, ranger, bard ... Uzi has the crappiest CHA out of the group so, for the most part, we're a damned likeable group of people...
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 15, 2012 16:09:59 GMT -6
ShLE should totally go elf—perfect split
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Post by Rigil Kent on Nov 16, 2012 10:19:31 GMT -6
Wait ... what is WxMAN playing anyway? Was that ever narrowed down?
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Post by Gigermann on Nov 16, 2012 10:22:17 GMT -6
Wait ... what is WxMAN playing anyway? Was that ever narrowed down? Honestly, might as well wait for him to show after N8's run, whatever he is—though we still need to know
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Post by WxMAN on Nov 16, 2012 10:28:05 GMT -6
Wait ... what is WxMAN playing anyway? Was that ever narrowed down? Planned: Barbarian, race tbd... He will be 'joined' with the party towards the end of my GM'ing... Plan on the characters knowing him and him being a member of the same militia y'all are...
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Post by Rigil Kent on Nov 16, 2012 11:01:25 GMT -6
Hmm. I might have to transition Alain to a paladin down the road for some limited healing capabilities. So want to be this hardcore...
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Post by WxMAN on Nov 16, 2012 11:08:12 GMT -6
I had planned on giving the PCs a substitute for a healer, at least during my run... since no one tends to like to play a dedicated healer
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Post by LabRat on Dec 17, 2012 16:38:33 GMT -6
... but I fully intend on him absolutely refusing to tell a lie or even deceive. So how is he going to react when other members of the party want to lie during roleplaying? He intends to be unyielding, even to the point of death, which will certainly lead to some interesting RP opportunities. Are we talking specifically about the lying? Or other character attributes as well? So other players should be advised about that. Yeah, I'll just going ahead and say that he and Maia are going to bump heads on a few things
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Post by Rigil Kent on Dec 17, 2012 17:27:29 GMT -6
So how is he going to react when other members of the party want to lie during roleplaying? Do so out of his earshot and there is no problem. Do so within his earshot and he will likely correct you. He's going to be blunt and open and undeceptive. Yes? Right, she's Bluffy lass. Heh. While this won't likely affect me, who plans to be the mostly silent and kindly barbarian... Pulling something that huge on the other PC's isn't all that fair, especially when they have already built their characters in certain ways... Furthermore, there are a lot of issues with saying you won't mislead or tell lies (or let anyone else for that matter). Unless you have specific knowledge something is a lie I'd assume you'd have to roll a sense motive vs the other person's check. Even then, what about lies by omission? What about lies due to lack of knowledge ('this man is innocent' when he isn't though you don't know that)? Would you ever feint in combat (as that is 'lying' about where you are going to strike)? Would you lie (including by omission) to the BBEG of Nefaria if he captures you and asks all of Kingsport's weakness / troop placements? And then you have the whole Obi-Wan scenario of "What I said is true... from a certain point of view". I know some of those examples are extreme, but lying is such a 'grey'/perception based thing that it makes saying you won't lie/mislead or tolerate anyone who does is also extreme... Also, I think as far as RP'ing it, you may wish to slowly incorporate it into your character.. such as he starts striving to be an honest person as he progresses towards knighthood, but not a 'flip of a light switch' three sessions in...
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Post by Gigermann on Dec 18, 2012 10:34:25 GMT -6
Character-related, I'm still trying to find the happy medium with my PCs' alignment as I'm not totally happy with him just being the "The law is the law is the law" guy - he's a smart guy (14), but I fully intend on him absolutely refusing to tell a lie or even deceive. He intends to be unyielding, even to the point of death, which will certainly lead to some interesting RP opportunities. So other players should be advised about that. Do so out of his earshot and there is no problem. Do so within his earshot and he will likely correct you. He's going to be blunt and open and undeceptive. It sounds like you're saying you're going to make your character un-fun for anyone who isn't similarly unflinchingly straightforward—hence the "warning"—or maybe that's an uninformed reaction? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that you don't really mean to be a pain. Perhaps you can clarify how this is going to be fun for others? Maybe you mean a sort of "Ned Stark" thing?
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Post by Rigil Kent on Dec 18, 2012 12:08:16 GMT -6
Yeah, it'll be more of a Ned Stark thing. I'm curious though - how is this any different from how Arthur was going to be portrayed in the Crusades game? Essentially, Alain will have the Odious Personal Habit (tries too hard to be a perfect knight), so he will likely become a little irksome at times. And no, it isn't going to be a sudden thing - he is going to gradually grow to this.
I'm not sure how him being the "straight guy" is suddenly "un-fun" for others. He won't lie, that's all. Nothing is stopping you guys from lying and, as WxMAN pointed out, it will all depend on his personal knowledge and POV. If he thinks it is true, then he'll say so and support it ... and his Sense Motive is like a +0 (and having done a 20-level review, I'm likely not going to be improving that skill ... which means Bluffing or Diplomacying him won't be difficult.)
I can actually see lots of potential - example: if Alain gains a reputation as a guy who will not lie, and our resident sorceror Bluffs the crap out of him to convince him of something she knows is wrong but is essential to accomplish our goals, then when he stands for this wrong thing, others will believe him. And then, when he finds out that he's wrong, Bluffy can likely easily convince him that she didn't know either!
The real conflict will be what happens when he enters the Knight class and has sworn fealty to whoever and that individual orders him to do something immoral or deceptive. Yeah, buddy.
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Post by LabRat on Dec 18, 2012 12:57:26 GMT -6
I think we were just trying to get a gauge on how you were going to play your character. If you were going to call foul on every thing we did because your character wouldn't like it, then it would get tiresome. I didn't know if you would like the fact that Maia would certainly bluff Alain if its something that would truly benefit the group. She's a good person, so she's not going to lie all the time (and it would be out of character for her to do so maliciously), but if there has to be a white lie based on a goal for the greater good then she will have to bluff you first (Look Sir Osric, an evil-doer outside!). I also was under the impression that this was going to be like turning on the switch (with no in character reasoning for this) instead of a gradual thing. Only problems I see are what happens if Maia had to lead Alain on with a deception for a while, and he finds out. It might break the party. Also, if he is going to be this straightforward guy with a great distaste for lying, you're probably not going to end up with Evil Hotness.
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Post by Gigermann on Dec 18, 2012 13:20:55 GMT -6
Also, if he is going to be this straightforward guy with a great distaste for lying, you're probably not going to end up with Evil Hotness. You are very young
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Post by Rigil Kent on Dec 18, 2012 13:24:38 GMT -6
LOL. The "Evil Hotness" will likely be half of the attraction at first... It is going to be a gradual thing. I expect he's going to see a lot of deception (not a shot at the PCs, but at humanity in general) and that's going to harden his mindset. I have no issues with you Bluffing him as necessary and I expect that Alain will probably give other PCs more leeway because he knows them from "back home." I suspect we can find a way to resolve any potential group breakage without an issue - he may not be particularly insightful, but Alain is fairly intelligent so he will likely engage Maia long before then. I simply thought it might be interesting to go this way and introduce some (minor) character conflict. As to the Evil Hotness, its no different than "Dating Catwoman," is it? Multiple ways it could go: - He's trying to change her, ala the traditional "dating a bad boy" thing chicks do.
- She's got a high Bluff check that he can't beat.
- And so on...
At the moment, I don't think it'll be an issue for now and who knows? He might get whacked before it becomes a problem!
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Post by Gigermann on Dec 18, 2012 13:28:23 GMT -6
how is this any different from how Arthur was going to be portrayed in the Crusades game? My response was more of an attempt to get your response to their response That said, I have seen you play it "to the hilt" before, and that might not sit well with some of the others (don't ask for examples; memory isn't that good)—just checking If you're just fishing for alternatives to the Dredd-mindset, there are some—but I think "Ned" is a good place to start. Not as severe, doesn't necessarily expect it of others, but won't be "dishonorable" himself. It would grease the gears to keep him with a somewhat lower Sense Motive
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