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Post by Gigermann on May 15, 2011 18:23:12 GMT -6
Alternately, the fundage could be spent on doing additional upgrades to the Exeter to either make it more combat-capable or simply more efficient. My vote. I don't see how having the starfighter is going to make us more combat-effective at this point, as cool as it might be to have.
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Post by LabRat on May 15, 2011 20:11:01 GMT -6
Hear Hear!
Also while I'm researching what ship mods we can do on The Exeter does anyone have anything specific they would like me to focus on?
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Post by WxMAN on May 16, 2011 10:31:21 GMT -6
Alternately, the fundage could be spent on doing additional upgrades to the Exeter to either make it more combat-capable or simply more efficient. Whoa.. stop guys... we are listening to the GM... ITS A TRAP! Here is my take... We have the bare minimum of the Rhodium required by the Hutts. We have some options, firstly, what to do with regards to ships/protection: 1. Get starfighter using Hutts money 2. Upgrade Exeter using Hutts money 3. Buy some extra protection using Hutts money 4. None of these 5. Do 2 of the three of these 6. All of these Some other options that we can spent what was left from our first decision tree above: 7. Pocket the extra Hutts money 8. Buy extra Rhodium for the Hutt ------- Personally, I favor 3 and 8. Ondo knows they have force users to read minds so if we spend the Hutts money unwisely, he is going to be pissed and we do not need a Hutt to be pissed at us. You better believe upgrading our ship, buying a starfighter, and/or pocketing the money is going to piss him off... And unless someone has an idea how to lie to him without getting caught, I don't think it is worth the risk in the long term... I also think if we get him extra Rhodium he will be happy and may have more jobs for us in the future... so using a short term loss (by not upgrading the ship, pocketing the money, etc) for a long term gain (profitable jobs from the Hutt) So yeah... that's just me OOC. IC... No-Bark doesn't much care, though probably doesn't wish to piss off the Hutt all too much
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Post by Gigermann on May 16, 2011 10:41:52 GMT -6
For the record, I voted based on the idea that we had already decided to spend the extra. 8t would likely advise against spending it, just based on his administrative experience—I say that without having the specifics of the "agreement" in front of me, which he would lawyer-to-death if we really wanted to squeeze more out of it.
For the record, also, nobody but Ondo knows that the Hutt is employing force-sensitives, and he's not telling anyone.
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 16, 2011 11:03:40 GMT -6
8T was present when Ondo spoke with Popara and thus has a recording so all characters could review it. Popara gave you exactly the amount of money necessary for the amount of rhodium you purchased. That you managed to pay less than that amount ... well, what you decide to do with the monies depends upon the group consensus. From examination of the recording, characters can tell that Popara was vague about it...
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Post by WxMAN on May 16, 2011 11:57:28 GMT -6
For the record, also, nobody but Ondo knows that the Hutt is employing force-sensitives, and he's not telling anyone. Of course... no one but Ondo knows about the force user thing.. however we would know we would have to bluff when he asks how much the rhodium cost, etc... this is not an idea I am fond of, even without knowing about the force users... especially since it would be up to Tesla (if allowed to see the Hutt) or Ondo (if Tesla is not allowed to see the Hutt) to bluff our way out of that one... and Tesla is just as likely to throw salt on the Hutt than she is to actually win a bluff... Also, I think I would like to go drop off the stuff to the Hutt first, then to buy some stuff (at Nar Saada?) and then to futility to drop off the rest of our glitterstim as I do not want that in the ship... at all... but that's just my 2 cents
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Post by zenwolf on May 16, 2011 13:07:44 GMT -6
Don't see why we need to lie. I was planning on telling him the truth.
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Post by WxMAN on May 16, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -6
Don't see why we need to lie. I was planning on telling him the truth. Don't think that'll piss him off we spent his money upgrading our ship?
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Post by Gigermann on May 16, 2011 13:42:10 GMT -6
Don't think that'll piss him off we spent his money upgrading our ship? If he failed to specify what to do with any overage, then he doesn't have a leg to stand on…or a dais to sit on
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Post by LabRat on May 16, 2011 14:31:07 GMT -6
You honestly think that would stop a Hutt from trouncing us if he learns that we did the bare minimum he asked for and then pocketed the rest of the money?
"I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it any further"
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 16, 2011 16:41:57 GMT -6
Man, ya'll are paranoid.
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Post by LabRat on May 16, 2011 18:57:41 GMT -6
Ha, this is from the GM who said that Poppin' Fresh would rescind his offer in retrospect of us killing 5 cops and giving him a mild headache. What do you think he's going to do to us when we decide to pocket a cool mil of his money?
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Post by Gigermann on May 16, 2011 19:22:05 GMT -6
Popara gave us [x money] to buy him [x tons] of Rhodium. If we keep the extra, we are delivering [x tons] of Rhodium, with "no change," which is exactly what he asked for. He can't get pissed if we give him what he asked for, regardless of how we may have benefited from it. If we tell him about the extra (which I would not, unless asked), he's as likely to say "My kind of scum," as "Boska." Maybe being honest will impress him. Maybe being underhanded will impress him. We have no idea, really. How is it that I keep ending up on the "other" side of the argument here? For the record: Player would take the "honest" approach, but the character could go either way, seeing what happens with the extra as a "bureaucratic" issue. We could always use a bit more stuff…
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Post by WxMAN on May 16, 2011 21:04:32 GMT -6
How is it that I keep ending up on the "other" side of the argument here? Because you like being a meanie poo poo head.... Also, I am sure Rigil will find a way to screw us over anyway we go...
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Post by LabRat on May 16, 2011 21:12:55 GMT -6
Agreed OOC I would probably err on the side of caution and fess up we have change left over, however in character Tesla would have us hold on to the money and then mention it only if Popara asks for it. If we conclude our business with him and he gives no mention of the extra money then its ours to do as we wish
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 17, 2011 9:29:35 GMT -6
Ha, this is from the GM who said that Poppin' Fresh would rescind his offer in retrospect of us killing 5 cops and giving him a mild headache. No, I said he should rescind the offer because you effectively got him involved in a gang war with another Hutt, although the characters don't know that as of yet.
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 17, 2011 14:23:08 GMT -6
So ... is there anything resembling consensus? A plan? Something? From what I've gathered, this is the planned sequence for Friday: - Do as much pre-jump work as possible to limit the amount of time needed to be in the system prior to jump to lightspeed (probably 3 to 7 rounds necessary from departure to jump.)
- Go directly to Nar Shaddaa & speak to Popara with the rhodium.
- UNRESOLVED - keep the change ... or give it to him. Still undetermined.
- Go to Futility.
Do any PCs have alternate wishes or anything they want to do during this or immediately after it?
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Post by WxMAN on May 17, 2011 14:28:15 GMT -6
Any thoughts of warning the pirates who we already told we were getting a big amount of rhodium that this is Hutt business and if they mess with us they mess with him.... obviously we couldn't tell them WHICH Hutt...
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Post by LabRat on May 17, 2011 14:55:36 GMT -6
I'd like to take some time and do some shopping in Nar Shaddaa if that's okay...I'm sure others need some supplies as well. If anyone wants guns or anything Tesla's connections feat can forgo the registration fee on anything that's under 5k so that should save you a bit of money.
As I said before, my vote is to not spend it but don't mention we have it either unless specifically asked. Of course we'll need to hear from the others.
We also need to determine if we're hiring/bribing the space pirates or are we just taking our chances.
Maybe its time for someone to do their loyalty mission after this?
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Post by Gigermann on May 17, 2011 15:04:45 GMT -6
8t votes no to keeping the money. I think we've gotten all the consensus we're going to 8t needs a holo-projector—might be worthwhile to take that out of ship funds, if we're not ready to split the profits yet—it's more useful to everyone else than me. Afterward, it's the next job. No idea where that might come from. At this point, 8t doesn't have any job/mission to contribute.
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Post by zenwolf on May 17, 2011 15:26:41 GMT -6
So we aren't going to try to keep the money? Originally I had planned to buy extra Rhodium, but didn't because some people were suggesting that we just keep the money. And it seemed that people with a only few notable objections were okay with that. I am okay if we decide not to, but now we are losing out on the extra money we would have gotten from the extra Rhodium. At the very least we should spend the extra on Rhodium and wait the extra time. We should do this even if we don't get the discount.
Oh and on Nar Shadaa we need to follow up with our info broker.
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 17, 2011 15:32:43 GMT -6
You could purchase an additional 9.26 tons of rhodium with the extra that you guys have from Popara's funds, which will bring the total amount purchased to 61.76 tons. Since this is OOC, if you wish, you can have placed this order at the same time as the original order (basically, you'll have said "I have X amt of money, you're selling at Y, so that means Z tonnage.") This will require an additional 4 days, so you'll need to spend another 60 credits for docking fees.
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Post by zenwolf on May 17, 2011 15:36:14 GMT -6
You could purchase an additional 9.26 tons of rhodium with the extra that you guys have from Popara's funds, which will bring the total amount purchased to 61.76 tons. Since this is OOC, if you wish, you can have placed this order at the same time as the original order (basically, you'll have said "I have X amt of money, you're selling at Y, so that means Z tonnage.") This will require an additional 4 days, so you'll need to spend another 60 credits for docking fees. Everybody on board for this?
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Post by WxMAN on May 17, 2011 15:37:28 GMT -6
Everybody on board for this? This is what I would prefer OOC... IC, No-Bark doesn't have a real opinion on way or the other
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Post by Gigermann on May 17, 2011 16:02:50 GMT -6
Everybody on board for this? , which gets us a majority of actual participants 8t doesn't care; his player doesn't really care either, but it is safer—either way, we're gambling.
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Post by LabRat on May 17, 2011 17:39:37 GMT -6
that's what I would have liked to have done initially, I just thought that others didn't want to wait the extra time for it so that brought us to spending the money vs. keeping the money. This way we can make our extra percentage and Popara can have extra rhodium. Everyone wins!
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Post by thedefiantbudah on May 18, 2011 18:30:31 GMT -6
here's my take, focus on the bird we have and not burden ourselves down with another one... mainly because we aren't equipped for rescue if something happens to the starfighter...and as far as when, that's up to the capt...but as this isn't a military vessel i think that all involved should be listened to since it's all our butts on the line...my vote would be upgrades to the exeter...just not sure as to what just yet, or when
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 18, 2011 18:54:26 GMT -6
Yeah, I think that's the general consensus now. Besides, with the Clone Wars looming, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to get fraked up snubfighters that can be rebuilt if you're still into that.
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Post by Rigil Kent on May 19, 2011 8:40:10 GMT -6
FYI, sorry for the delay in the adventure synopsis. I was going to do it Sunday, but felt like garbage so I crashed way early that day, and then I crashed as soon as I got home on Monday, and then I worked really late on Tuesday so ...
Yeah. There ya go.
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Post by LabRat on May 20, 2011 9:46:31 GMT -6
Its okay, we all get bogged down from time to time. No worries ;D
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