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Post by Mike E. on Jan 18, 2012 10:50:29 GMT -6
I think some of you may have noticed...I'm not to happy with the way I'm running D&D.
I agree with Rigil on this, d20 is giving me headaches. I really think I'm much better at running a skill based game like deadlands or d6 or gurps than I am a level based game like d20...
So, here's the proposal. What would you guys think of switching systems. just to see how it goes...if we don't like it, then its right back to d20. I'll even give you exp for the experiment. Lol.
Well, whadda ya think?
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 18, 2012 10:59:27 GMT -6
What system do you have in mind, at the moment?
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 18, 2012 12:26:01 GMT -6
Hoestly, aside from d6, which would require some purchases, I think gurps fantasy would be a good candidate.
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 18, 2012 13:19:16 GMT -6
Issues: - D&D (3.5+) is really the best fit for D&D; characters just don't work the same way in other (non level-based) systems. No further expenditure required.
- Deadlands—system is not a good fit for D&D; plus scale problem (1"=1yd doesn't fit the minis, which is a PITA and causes "visualization" misunderstandings)
- D6—good system, but requires purchasing books, new system learning (for some); this would probably be my pick, for use with Star Wars as well
- GURPS—I obviously like the system, but it's way too different from D&D to really do D&D; better to start over than to try to convert. Also, scale problem (invalidates the minis; as much as we would both like to get a bunch of Lego gobs and orcs, none of us want to pay for it)
Of course, I feel the same way about the SW game: D6 is a better fit, short of using Feng Shui. At any rate, I wonder if we couldn't get McN to step up with Savage Tide for a while, and SQ and Rigil take a step back and evaluate their respective situations, to see what the best course of action really is.
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 18, 2012 19:02:56 GMT -6
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Post by Magman on Jan 18, 2012 19:03:01 GMT -6
You can get the PDF's free fantasy, Core, space etc. free on the net (I have them) except for the Star Wars books.
Maybe It would be a couple of weeks before I would be willing and able
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 18, 2012 23:58:54 GMT -6
[/li][li]D6—good system, but requires purchasing books, [/quote] Not really, at least with SW as I have pretty much all of the SW books and have several copies of the core rulebooks. And re-learning for the rest. Running d6 would definitely require me to re-read the books... I'm halfway wondering if it isn't just me - every original member of the Core Group - Giger, Magman, SQ - but me has taken some time off from the Friday game to sort of recharge their batteries, which makes me wonder if I shouldn't do the same. I dunno.
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 19, 2012 9:14:43 GMT -6
I'm wondering if all the frustration and indecision is a sign that many people are burnt out and don't know what to do anymore in gaming as they struggle to find something new/interesting....
Idk... maybe that is just my inaccurate perspective on this whole thing
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 19, 2012 10:09:26 GMT -6
I'm wondering if all the frustration and indecision is a sign that many people are burnt out and don't know what to do anymore in gaming as they struggle to find something new/interesting.... I think that's true. Most of us have been at this for a long time, and we've gotten older, and inspiration and excitement are harder to come by. For me, at least, it's become a lot more difficult to get motivated to do all the work it requires to run a game, much less just coming up with a back-story or character concept. It's definitely more difficult to find some concept we haven't done already—but not impossible. That's not enough reason to quit, though, IMO—though it is reason to step back and let someone else take over for a while. It is also a good reason to take a more "community-driven" approach, though. If everyone at the table would get involved in the process more, it would be easier and more satisfying to run a game—that is, everyone helps make dinner, rather than sitting at the table waiting to be served. Of course, I've been pushing this approach for a long time to little effect, and have mostly given up on it—tired of the arm-twisting and teeth-pulling and hand-holding—to the extent that I'm getting to be just as bad about it. If I had my way, though, I'd try to get some fresh blood behind the big-screen. "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken."
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 19, 2012 10:32:07 GMT -6
If I had my way, though, I'd try to get some fresh blood behind the big-screen. "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." I'll do it... I'll make huge mistakes, it was be horribly paced, probably overly cliche, and may involve long "uuhhhh ummmmmmmmm then this happens? maybe?" moments... but I'm willing to provide a new experience if the old guard is willing to deal with a complete idiot try and run
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 19, 2012 10:35:56 GMT -6
I didn't mean that fresh
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 19, 2012 10:57:03 GMT -6
I didn't mean that fresh Well on you... I'll run my own game... with blackjack! and hookers! ... in fact, forget the game... and the blackjack...
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 19, 2012 11:05:10 GMT -6
Well on you... I'll run my own game... with blackjack! and hookers! We've done hookers before…well, not like that…oh, nevermind
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 19, 2012 11:54:30 GMT -6
If I had my way, though, I'd try to get some fresh blood behind the big-screen. "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." I'll do it... I'll make huge mistakes, it was be horribly paced, probably overly cliche, and may involve long "uuhhhh ummmmmmmmm then this happens? maybe?" moments... but I'm willing to provide a new experience if the old guard is willing to deal with a complete idiot try and run I saw BRING IT!
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 19, 2012 14:55:52 GMT -6
Well...this is an experiment, so technically we can try whatever kinda crazy shit we want.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 19, 2012 15:06:39 GMT -6
You know ... that's a really good point.
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Post by Magman on Jan 19, 2012 19:46:33 GMT -6
Don't let inexperience stop you we all started GMing that way.
SOOoo what is the plan for tomorrow night?
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Post by LabRat on Jan 20, 2012 12:09:20 GMT -6
Would it be too bold of me to suggest that maybe we all take a break for a bit. Like let's say have no gaming sessions for February. It just seems like we're struggling for inspiration right now which is making people feel fussy and discontented. Maybe some of us need to take a step back and sort out what we want in a game. And it would give others a chance to sort out their future campaigns like McNurlin and Rigil. I mean I love you guys and I love the game but this is just reeking of half-hearted obligation right now. This plan would fall under the whole absence makes the heart grow fonder/you can't miss what you have unless its gone cliche. Its just a thought and it isn't something I necessarily want to do but maybe we just need a break and a big reset button. Then again maybe inspiration can be found in watching a fledgling GM try to fly and land on his face.
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 20, 2012 12:37:51 GMT -6
Would it be too bold of me to suggest that maybe we all take a break for a bit. Honestly, we've hardly played in the last month and a half. If that were the answer, we should be more "refreshed" right now, I think. I can only speak to my own experience, here: GMing has become a chore for me—well, really, it always was, but one that I was compelled to do anyway. Lately, I haven't had the self-motivation to do the hard work that my games require of me (self-inflicted, I know). I normally feed off others' inspiration, and that's been hard to come by. The Old Guard don't trust me to follow through anymore, for good reason, and the New Guys—well, I don't know what's up, there, except that I know they're busy with real life, and don't have the bandwidth to commit to it. Recently, any games I've tried to kick off have been followed by the sounds of crickets and tumbleweeds, and I just won't go through the effort to squeeze enthusiasm for everyone. If there's something wrong with me, here, no one has expressed it, so I can't compensate. At any rate, I've decided I'm not doing anything unless the Players demand something themselves. As a Player: There are still a few games I get excited about, but those aren't being run right now. I really liked Savage Tide, the characters and setting, but McN being fresh from his absence and not quite ready, plus the natural pitfalls of running a high-end game, mean that I don't want to push him—there's just something about "old-fashioned" D&D for me, warts and all. Although, the rotating cast of Players has watered down that experience somewhat. Rigil's personal lack of inspiration has infected my own toward his campaigns, though the latest Pathfinder discussion had given me hope. I enjoyed M&M enough, but it always felt a bit like "filler" to me—like an extended one-shot. SQ seems to be getting as tired as the rest of us, and hasn't been up to his old standards—though I can't put my finger on why, which is irritating to me; can't help fix it if I don't understand the problem. I know it's not gaming in-general, for me—got no problems with the Saturday game right now (though I'd really like to get back to "normal" rhythm there). I've continually tried to wring blood from the stone—what is it that everyone actually wants to play, and can get excited about. Nobody else seems to be able to articulate what it is, for them.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 20, 2012 14:56:53 GMT -6
It's my fault. I take the blame.
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 20, 2012 15:03:12 GMT -6
It's my fault. I take the blame. You bastard!
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 20, 2012 15:25:00 GMT -6
It's my fault. I take the blame. You bastard! Probably b/c he is a Templar...
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 20, 2012 15:34:04 GMT -6
Dammit...I wanted it to be my fault!
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 20, 2012 15:46:51 GMT -6
Either way... McN's question still stands: what is going on tonight?
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Post by Magman on Jan 20, 2012 17:28:30 GMT -6
Well time is a ticking, Kidda need to know. At the least we could go over D-6, create characters or some such.
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 20, 2012 17:30:27 GMT -6
Sorry guys...took me a while to get to posting. I was still planning on running otnight. Sorry for the late notice. If its to late, I'm sorry.
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Post by Mike E. on Jan 21, 2012 20:57:08 GMT -6
For those who don't know...
Create a d6 character from d6 fantasy.
These charactures will be taking over for "the other guys".
Still do not worry about equipment. You won't have any when you start.
Also. After you create the character, you will have 30 character points to spend however you want.
Honestly, everyone may just want to grab one of the templates in the back of the d6 fantasy book.
That is all.
why me...
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