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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 8, 2012 22:05:55 GMT -6
The BDH has shown up to save the city, maybe we'll get lucky and become sidekicks ... Or, as we saw in "The Dark Knight," his presence will just make things worse... Huh. I don't think we actually posted at the same time, but I didn't see that. Bizarre. I suspect that a Diplomacy Check would be necessary here, so go for it.
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 8, 2012 22:32:14 GMT -6
Or, as we saw in "The Dark Knight," his presence will just make things worse... Still makes us sidekicks I suspect that a Diplomacy Check would be necessary here, so go for it. Go go diplo! [dice=20]+8[rand=87201821600500532115451042803749866492561667101226646061158927516]
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Post by LabRat on Sept 8, 2012 22:38:14 GMT -6
The BDH has shown up to save the city, maybe we'll get lucky and become sidekicks .. Or, as we saw in "The Dark Knight," his presence will just make things worse... I would tend to agree. Though it is slightly annoying that he 'saved' chickiepoo when we already did the good deed. On the other hand I don't think that any of us would want to make a move against the Queen outright. The Red Ghost saved us from making a very difficult decision. One that I still don't have a clue as to what choice my character would make. I guess time will tell if s/he will have a more active role in the campaign.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 8, 2012 23:02:41 GMT -6
Actually, he saved a different chickie-poo. You guys got the real one. Which also means that all of the heat for this will be coming down on his head, not yours... Or, as we saw in "The Dark Knight," his presence will just make things worse... Still makes us sidekicks How exactly does it make you a sidekick? You're not working with him. If it makes you feel better, I could have someone send Jareth this... And wow. Good Diplomacy check. So clearly, Maester Logain listens to your arguments and agrees to do the 90/60 thing. But only because he likes you. And don't tell his daughter about this - she'll be quite cross. But you? You, he likes.
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Sept 9, 2012 9:05:41 GMT -6
so, in my defense ... i never actually "lied" about my true nature...i said that i have had a rough life and you said that yours was worse...i just choose not to have the one up game lol
as far as my true nature and abilities...you've seen all of them...
my lineage is...questionable...on the paternal side...and due to that, i live with my "curse"
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Post by Gigermann on Sept 9, 2012 9:43:39 GMT -6
Looks like you two have over a month to have the appropriately-dramatic "pained confession" scene, complete with off-color-tinted, soft-focus flashback to the "curse" event.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 10:07:58 GMT -6
Feedback on this? Some additional thoughts: - WxMAN mentioned massive damage and, to be honest, I've never really like how D&D does it, so I'm considering using these Alternate Damage Threshold rules, specifically either the Constitution-Based Threshold or the HD-Based Threshold. Let me know what you think.
- I'm not happy with the Harrow Point mechanic and would like to change it. I'm considering using the Action Points variant. Again, let me know what you think.
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Post by Gigermann on Sept 9, 2012 10:39:34 GMT -6
I'm cool with the "massive damage" change, but I fear we may regret it at some point I'm cool with Action Points—Harrow wasn't very useful, from my perspective—but I do not like the idea of "adding 1d6"—better to add a flat +5 or something, rather than risk only adding +1 (which, as we know, is inevitable)
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 10:52:46 GMT -6
I'm cool with the "massive damage" change, but I fear we may regret it at some point Which one? That's doable, I think. So if I stick with the normal sequence, using a AP between levels 1 through 6 provides a +5, using one after 7 provides a +10 and so on. Also, in regards to PC actions, I know where Aria sleeps at night (and Mardak, providing he hasn't been kicked out entirely), but are the rest of you actually using Zellara's home as your semi-permanent residence? Or are you sleeping elsewhere?
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 14:06:08 GMT -6
I really like the Action Points vs using Harrow points... It'd be interesting to see how the Action Points work out and we can always drop them if it doesn't work...
Re: Massive Damage... I don't like the whole 50pts thing nor do I particularly care for any of the alternatives, though of them the HD based is best... I was thinking maybe 1/2 total HP damage would be massive damage with a DC 15 fort save (with the scaling based on every 10 HP = +2 save DC)... If you fail the save, roll 1d8 to determine your negative hit points... this means you can't just "auto-die" and at worst you get a round or two to be 'saved'.... kinda an amalgamation of some of the alternative rules, but one I think would be fair for both the weak (Jareth) and strong (Aria) alike...
Much more to come from me today....................... dun dun dun
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Post by LabRat on Sept 9, 2012 14:19:30 GMT -6
I like of using action points instead of Harrow points. So that gives a thumbs up. The mechanic for massive damage doesn't sit entirely well with me. If you had to twist my arm the HD system seems the better of the two. Honestly I really like Nates idea for a massive damage system. It seems to even out the playing field a bit more for those players that are a bit squishy.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 14:22:22 GMT -6
Interesting. Half HP is not necessarily a bad idea and I really like the "roll 1d8 to determine negative HP level."
Giger mentioned offline merging the CON one with the HD. His idea was that starting at 25 is too high, so instead start with 15, +2 for each HD (so a 4th level character would have a 21.)
Interesting question comes to mind though. What about when you take HP damage that reduces you to negative HP but also exceeds your damage threshold? Maybe, if we use the 1d8 thing, we reduce the negative level by that much? So, for example, you take HP damage that drops you to -2, fail the appropriate Fort save, then roll a 5 on the d8, so instead of -2, you're at -7?
Also, I'm thinking that, rather than insta-death at -10, I'm going to have it be -CON. Unless, of course, you're a Nameless Mook.
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 14:55:12 GMT -6
Giger mentioned offline merging the CON one with the HD. His idea was that starting at 25 is too high, so instead start with 15, +2 for each HD (so a 4th level character would have a 21.) My problem with that system is Val and Jareth would have to essentially be killed to hit that massive damage... and Aria (who is really are most consistent damage dealer) can only hit 21 if she rolls max damage... she'll likely never get above the damage threshold for any of out enemies, much less Val or Mardak... Interesting question comes to mind though. What about when you take HP damage that reduces you to negative HP but also exceeds your damage threshold? Maybe, if we use the 1d8 thing, we reduce the negative level by that much? So, for example, you take HP damage that drops you to -2, fail the appropriate Fort save, then roll a 5 on the d8, so instead of -2, you're at -7? Also, I'm thinking that, rather than insta-death at -10, I'm going to have it be -CON. Unless, of course, you're a Nameless Mook. Seems good to me... though in that case we may want to bump the die roll back to d10, I was trying to strike a balance between the seriousness of taking massive damage and not insta-deathing us.... I don't know, we may need to see how it goes and tweak a bit, getting it 100% perfect off the first shot is unlikely
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 15:01:12 GMT -6
Good points. For the time being, I'm going to recommend we use the 1/2 HP damage threshold to see how that works. I've updated the House Rules section of the Obsidian Portal site to reflect... Addendum: While it won't be available until after the 35 day period has elapsed, all PCs will gain a bonus feat predicated on their training time (providing they spend at least an hour a day training - think of it as going to the gym every day.) These are the feats I'm going to recommend: - Aria - Weapon Focus.
- Jareth - Pick a bonus Wizard feat. Your choice
- Mardak - Weapon Focus.
- Val - Exotic Weapon Proficiency (kusarigama)
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 16:29:17 GMT -6
Also, in regards to PC actions, I know where Aria sleeps at night (and Mardak, providing he hasn't been kicked out entirely), but are the rest of you actually using Zellara's home as your semi-permanent residence? Or are you sleeping elsewhere? Jareth is still using Zellara's home - I don't know about anyone else, though is rather careful to not be followed home as there are folks looking for someone looking like him and whatnot... furthermore I wanted to bring this back to the forefront for its particular brilliance and agree that we should be doing this at all opportunities: An unrelated thought: We should have the ghost of the house's previous owner make an occasional "appearance" to folks outside, so she appears to still be alive (thus preventing the city from coming to claim the house)
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Post by Gigermann on Sept 9, 2012 16:35:07 GMT -6
Staying at Zellara's—Val's homeless Until Aria decides she needs a house servant, anyways
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 16:47:16 GMT -6
Onto a little Walmart d20:
During our downtime I think we'd sell the following items:
To merchants at 50% value:
1 Amber Necklace for 175 GP 1 Small Masterwork Dagger for 151 GP 2 Small Repeating Crossbows for 250 GP 2 Small Studded Leather for 25 GP
To Logain at 60% value:
1 Robe of Bones for 1440 GP 1 Scroll, Command Undead for 90 GP 3 Scroll, Identify (I have 2 on me personally I am 'giving' to the group) for 225 GP 1 Spellbook (from the wizard, spells already copied into mine) for 990 GP 1 Wand, Acid Splash 26 Uses for 234 GP
After I finish reading all the books we took for Rolth, I will 'donate' them to the Bronchos to further help Logain and Jareth's burgeoning friendship... If any players/characters have an issue with this donation, I will take the lost GP out of Jareth's share, but I think we'll gain more than we'll lose working closely selling magic stuffs to Logain...
If no one has any problems with this, I calculated the total value of all our selling to 3,580 GP... Meaning each PC gets an extra 895 GP to spend
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 16:51:12 GMT -6
How many of the spells have you copied from the obtained spellbook?
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Post by LabRat on Sept 9, 2012 17:00:27 GMT -6
It you all are careful so that you aren't followed, Aria doesn't see a problem with staying at her house. I am sure there are extra bedrooms. You don't have too, of course, but the offer is available.
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Post by Gigermann on Sept 9, 2012 17:11:18 GMT -6
To merchants at 50% value: If any of those were "trade items," they are 100%
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 17:13:42 GMT -6
How many of the spells have you copied from the obtained spellbook? Hmmm, well I fracked up just about everything regarding spells and spellbooks.... Let's set aside the spellbook for a bit and I will refigure out how much I should have spent, etc.. That will put everyone getting 647 GP and 5 SP with more coming depending on the spellbook stuff... Good lord is being a wizard expensive if you do things properly....
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 17:33:30 GMT -6
How many of the spells have you copied from the obtained spellbook? Hmmm, well I fracked up just about everything regarding spells and spellbooks.... Let's set aside the spellbook for a bit and I will refigure out how much I should have spent, etc.. If you simply donate the spellbook to the College, Maester Logain will provide you the special ink (aka the "materials") to copy the spells to your personal book (which, if you're copying more than 9, is definitely a deal for you.)
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Post by Gigermann on Sept 9, 2012 17:54:52 GMT -6
Making it official: Valsúl will be joining the city guard…and the Cerulean Guild at the same time. He'll probably tell both that he's spying on the other for them.
Anyone who doesn't assume he's just an older black human will be told he is an older black-human half-elf
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 9, 2012 18:06:08 GMT -6
I am looking into how to handle this - will get back to you ASAP.
Also, LabRat, take a look at the maps over at the Portals site. The manor has a layout...
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 18:51:11 GMT -6
If you simply donate the spellbook to the College, Maester Logain will provide you the special ink (aka the "materials") to copy the spells to your personal book (which, if you're copying more than 9, is definitely a deal for you.) That is very fair, thank you... I will do that just to save the headache of all this nonsense... I went back and looked at all my past spell dealings and I will post a summary of the mistakes I made and the subsequent cost changes in Jareth's thread....
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 18:59:46 GMT -6
If any of those were "trade items," they are 100% The only thing that may be a trade item is the amber necklace - but that is up to the GM to decide...
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Post by LabRat on Sept 9, 2012 20:48:48 GMT -6
I am looking into how to handle this - will get back to you ASAP. Also, LabRat, take a look at the maps over at the Portals site. The manor has a layout... Thank you! It looks awesome. I am glad there is a stable because I really did have a place to keep Norman.
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 9, 2012 22:15:46 GMT -6
@rigil...
Aria and Jareth have come to an agreement. Jareth will be helping her to improve her families name for an unspecified favor down the line (think mafia: I do dis for you, and when I need ya, you do somethin for me)...
As such, my first action will be spending some gold at the establishments throughout Korvosa (disguised appropriately for the area) and get a read on the cities thoughts regarding House Devreaux... I will be checking out the poor tier, middle class tier and the noble tier... I'd also like to figure out the guards/militia's thoughts on them....
After you let me know what I find out I can figure out how to better increase her notoriety and begin helping to raise her family's name...
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Post by Rigil Kent on Sept 10, 2012 9:42:46 GMT -6
I am looking into how to handle this - will get back to you ASAP.
Probably not today though because today looks to be stupid busy. Ugh.
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Post by WxMAN on Sept 10, 2012 11:18:52 GMT -6
I am looking into how to handle this - will get back to you ASAP. Probably not today though because today looks to be stupid busy. Ugh. No problem, take your time, work/real life always comes first...
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