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Post by LabRat on Dec 18, 2012 15:11:47 GMT -6
It is going to be a gradual thing. I expect he's going to see a lot of deception (not a shot at the PCs, but at humanity in general) and that's going to harden his mindset. I have no issues with you Bluffing him as necessary and I expect that Alain will probably give other PCs more leeway because he knows them from "back home." Awesome, then I think it might be rather interesting to see where this goes. I just wanted to make sure that my hands weren't tied because you wanted your character to respond in one particular way. Knowing you, I didn't think that was the case, but the "So other players should be advised about that." statement made me wonder, so I needed clarification. Our characters are still going to butt heads but I think it is going to have a more amiable tone Alain- No, Maia, I am not making balloon animals for that group of orphans Maia- Please? I am sure if they are happy, they'll remember an important piece of information. Maybe they saw something! ::rolls 27 bluff check:: Alain- ::Huge sigh:: Okay little girl, do you want a pony or a puppy? As to the Evil Hotness, its no different than "Dating Catwoman," is it? I don't know. In my mind I picture her as THE evil (Big E) hotness. She eats babies and law books for breakfast, and is rather irredeemable. Catwoman has always been more ambiguous to me. At worst she is in that very grey area on the outskirts of evil (little e...like using size 3 Andalus font). She has a redeemable side. But I guess that's not up to me and we won't know until one of the GM's define her or any of the BBEGs.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Dec 18, 2012 15:28:08 GMT -6
Our characters are still going to butt heads but I think it is going to have a more amiable tone Alain- No, Maia, I am not making balloon animals for that group of orphans Maia- Please? I am sure if they are happy, they'll remember an important piece of information. Maybe they saw something! ::rolls 27 bluff check:: Alain- ::Huge sigh:: Okay little girl, do you want a pony or a puppy? Plus, with WIS being his dump stat, until he hits Knight at 5th level, I think the most Will save he will have is +1 so he will have no defense against attractive women giving him sad puppy dog eyes. Interesting. I saw it as using the Overlord List #19: "I will not have a daughter. She would be as beautiful as she was evil, but one look at the hero's rugged countenance and she'd betray her own father."
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Post by Gigermann on Dec 18, 2012 15:58:12 GMT -6
I saw it as using the Overlord List #19: "I will not have a daughter. She would be as beautiful as she was evil, but one look at the hero's rugged countenance and she'd betray her own father." "It is known…" "It is known…"
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Post by Rigil Kent on Dec 18, 2012 16:31:53 GMT -6
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Post by WxMAN on Dec 18, 2012 17:04:38 GMT -6
Fixed that for you... you know.. since she IS evil and all... (Enjoy those nightmares) Attachments:
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Dec 20, 2012 18:25:51 GMT -6
i can see there will be a phrase i use often in response...Rigil: "you lied!?" Me:"I exaggerated" lol
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 15, 2013 11:43:07 GMT -6
Heh. I actually sort of rebooted my concept there, wherein the character is charismatic and all, but he's pathologically afraid of actually leading people now. No worries. Is this still the case? Just checking as Alain (or at least his player) appears to be the de facto leader despite the stronger charasmatic personalities of Maia or Walen (which may be due to the more passive player personalities ) [Bruno in this case is wayyyy too passive to even consider leading]
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 15, 2013 12:06:19 GMT -6
Leadership isn't always a choice
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 12:16:59 GMT -6
Heh. I actually sort of rebooted my concept there, wherein the character is charismatic and all, but he's pathologically afraid of actually leading people now. No worries. Is this still the case? Just checking as Alain (or at least his player) appears to be the de facto leader despite the stronger charasmatic personalities of Maia or Walen (which may be due to the more passive player personalities ) It is still the intent, though things can always change as the game progresses and Alain becomes more comfortable with himself. As someone of noble birth, I expect he ended up being deferred to back in Homlet/Homesville/Heroham more often than not anyway, so the characters (aside from that latecomer, Uzi) probably let him take the lead automatically. In this case, I certainly think it is me being more vocal than the other characters - I can try to tone it down a bit, though I don't know how successful I will be there. Again, though, how exactly do you play CHA 18 characters?
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Post by LabRat on Jan 15, 2013 12:24:31 GMT -6
I was deferring to Walen because he is the bard...traditionally that is their purpose. Now, if you need someone to spin a tale, then I don't have any problem with stepping up. I just felt like Maia was more on reserve for auxiliary needs. However, if Rigil put that as his character trait then it does need to be honored and fixed and either Maia or Walen be the face. I don't really care who does it. To me, it just made sense for the bard to be leader.
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 15, 2013 12:26:01 GMT -6
The Face-Man doesn't have to be the Leader—two entirely separate jobs, though they do tend to overlap.
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Post by LabRat on Jan 15, 2013 12:30:26 GMT -6
The Face-Man doesn't have to be the Leader—two entirely separate jobs, though they do tend to overlap. I understand the distinction, however, with this group, more often than not, they are one and the same.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 12:31:14 GMT -6
However, if Rigil put that as his character trait then it does need to be honored and fixed To be fair, reviewing my original comment highlighted a flaw in my statement. When I said "afraid to lead people," I meant large groups (so as to explain why, even though he might be suited for it, he avoids the Leadership feat.) This could conceivably be akin to The Thirteenth Warrior, where the most charismatic person (Herger) in the group isn't the leader. So I have no problem with Alain stepping up in that regard. ETA: If we want to force Wally to take the leadership role, that's fine with me. I will try to dial back my more forceful personality.
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Post by LabRat on Jan 15, 2013 12:57:54 GMT -6
So I have no problem with Alain stepping up in that regard. I guess the first rule of order is establishing as a group if we want to have both a leader and a face. Having two positions might make more sense because of the character's background stories (there really isn't one of us that would be able to handle both), on the downside, we will have two people trying to share duties that can easily be overlapped. They would just have to be mindful of not stepping on each other's toes. Second and probably a more important question is do you want to be the leader? Does Walen want to be the face? I would guess that due to his background story, it would make the most sense, but he would have to chime in. Next thing that would make the most sense would be Maia to be the face due to her charisma and the fact she's a people person. If ChrisIII doesn't want that role, then I will step up and take it because I can try something a bit new for me since I usually play an uncharismatic kick ass fighter. However, I don't want to automatically discount people. N8 thinks Bruno doesn't really have a dog in the fight, and I don't know where Uzi stands. I would think Alain would rather fill the leadership role than be the face. Its just what we want from the experience as a group. If there are no parameters then, as Rigil admitted, he will probably fall into both rolls because he's played a lot of leadership rolls in the past. If everyone is okay with that, then fine. If not, then people need to start stepping up and do some role playing (me included).
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 13:04:02 GMT -6
Good points. I think, if Alain ends up defaulting to the "leadership" role, I'll try to do a better job of having him encourage the other characters (who are more Charismatic than he and he knows it) step up at the appropriate times. He's got an INT of 14 so he should be capable of recognizing when to step back and let the bullshitters or diplomancers to step up. Which is why, BTW? I can't remember.
As to your question as to whether I want to be the leader, that prompts a shrug. I don't have problems doing that and have done it so frequently in the past that I'm accustomed to it. It is sort of my default role.
Giger, can you split the leadership discussion out of this thread and park it into one more appropriate?
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 15, 2013 13:23:38 GMT -6
As to your question as to whether I want to be the leader, that prompts a shrug. I don't have problems doing that and have done it so frequently in the past that I'm accustomed to it. It is sort of my default role. Yeah, I think this is the actual cause of it... You and me tend to be the two 'strong personalities' in this but since my character is passive in this game it essentially forced you back into your 'default' leading role... I'm sure Shelley could lead, though I know she probably won't feel comfortable doing so at first... ChrisIII tends to desire not leading and I understand the sentiment so I'd also hate 'forcing' someone to lead if they don't wish... Maybe GM'ing for both of them will help bring out a more willingness to 'lead' the group... Giger, can you split the leadership discussion out of this thread and park it into one more appropriate? Sorry for dirtying up your character thread with this... I wasn't expecting such a detailed discussion...
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 13:27:39 GMT -6
Nah, no worries. It was a discussion that needed to be had.
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Post by LabRat on Jan 15, 2013 13:45:17 GMT -6
Nah, no worries. It was a discussion that needed to be had. Can only Giger move conversations to different threads? I was trying to figure out how to do it the other day but I don't know if I have the 'authority'. Well to be fair, technically it kinda worked out that Aria was the unnamed 'leader' in Crimson City, and I have had some face roles in the past. I can do it, but I usually play characters that don't fill that roll, especially with 3.5. I am also one that feel comfortable assuming a leadership role if I am 'assigned' that role by the group. Otherwise, I feel like I am being a jerk by taking the spotlight, so to speak. Now that I am thinking about it, a brilliant example of sharing duties between leader and face would be to look at Aria's and Jareth's characters. So it can be done. People would just have to be more aware.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 13:48:05 GMT -6
Can only Giger move conversations to different threads? I have no idea. Maybe? Maybe not? I just let him do it cause he's better at it and knows what to do. Plus, it makes him feel needed.
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Post by Gigermann on Jan 15, 2013 14:19:44 GMT -6
Can only Giger move conversations to different threads? I was trying to figure out how to do it the other day but I don't know if I have the 'authority'. All of you have the capability, I think, but obviously not the knowledge
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Post by Rigil Kent on Jan 15, 2013 15:06:04 GMT -6
Capability, maybe. Knowledge wouldn't be difficult. But I'm just lazy.
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Jan 15, 2013 19:43:43 GMT -6
i'm typically more in the background, just how my personality works (in regards to leading)...still tryin to figure out what the "concept" of my character would be with going the route of Bard/Scout rotation...trying to picture how that's going to work... Charismatic and out going/ quiet and stealthy...hmmmm
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Post by WxMAN on Jan 16, 2013 9:50:54 GMT -6
i'm typically more in the background, just how my personality works (in regards to leading)... Which would ordinarily be fine except you are playing a diplomancer bard who is "charismatic and outgoing" (your words)... I understand how much of a stretch it can be to play someone who isn't a match for your own personality, but playing someone who is charismatic and outgoing kind of requires a much more "active" playing style by the player (in this case, you)... Not that you have to be the leader, but your character should definitely be the one who wants to socialize and talk to people, so you may need to 'force' yourself to be more active in the game and less sitting back and letting Maia/Alain/Bruno do all the talking
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Post by Rigil Kent on Mar 5, 2013 19:21:55 GMT -6
So something LabRat said in one of the other threads made me think we should probably actually beginning laying out some character goals (as in "goals the character has", not "goals I have in regards to my character.") This seemed to be the logical place for that so ...
Alain ... wants to redeem his family name. He doesn't know all (read: most) of the specifics of his father's exile and honestly had too many issues with dear old dad to really care about redeeming the older man's rep, but the family name is something else entirely. His grandfather was, by all accounts, a great man and Alain wants to redeem the family's honor in that man's name.
He also wants to find his place in the world (which, in player terms, is the meta goal of going paladin, though the character isn't aware of that yet) and a very deeply hidden part of him wants the whole loving wife plus a handful of kids (though he's very unlucky to admit that.)
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Post by LabRat on Mar 7, 2013 11:04:27 GMT -6
So something LabRat said in one of the other threads made me think we should probably actually beginning laying out some character goals I've thought about this a lot. And to be honest I was struggling a bit. In our lore most BDH are fighters, so it is rather easy to think of goals for them (restore honor, protect the weak, gain ranks in military, blah blah blah). Spellcasters are usually cast as the villain, or the character bit parts, so it is hard to gain inspiration from that. So I figured the best thing for me to do was to actually create a good back story and then draw motivation from there. I am using the story cards you did for Maia as inspiration. And things are coming together. So my plan is to try to have her story/motivation and my GURPS character up by this weekend. Maybe sooner if work slows down. So anyway, that's where I am right now.
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Post by WxMAN on Mar 7, 2013 14:46:28 GMT -6
I guess I didn't really consider anything long term as I thought this was going to be a relatively short campaign where we each run once or twice and are done... giving the newbs experience and then allowing them to run their own campaign
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Post by LabRat on Mar 7, 2013 16:47:11 GMT -6
I guess I didn't really consider anything long term as I thought this was going to be a relatively short campaign where we each run once or twice and are done... giving the newbs experience and then allowing them to run their own campaign Really? I expected this to go on for a rather long time.
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Post by Rigil Kent on Mar 7, 2013 19:05:25 GMT -6
Well I for one have been sort of thinking and planning long-term ... we could always have GMs who don't have their own campaign/characters in mind continue using this...
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Post by thedefiantbudah on Mar 7, 2013 20:29:08 GMT -6
I'd like to see this campaign go on for a while...could add people to the rotation so that way there won't be GM burnout and everyone gets a chance to play as well as shape the story
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Post by Gigermann on Apr 3, 2013 10:51:00 GMT -6
Dwarven Monk coming right up! I suspect you're (half?) joking when you keep talking about the Dwarven Monk character, but seriously…if you really think you'd enjoy that one more, then do it. Nobody will think less of you (I think). I've had characters (one, at least) before that for non-structural reasons just weren't working out, and I ditched them.
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